tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post5383367771302324961..comments2024-03-15T04:01:53.036-04:00Comments on Cranky Fitness: Seeing red: a meaty topicCrabby McSlackerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12108791388350253344noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-20004508223440751812009-03-15T21:16:00.000-04:002009-03-15T21:16:00.000-04:00Wait a second - so red meat is bad - but according...Wait a second - so red meat is bad - but according to the survey, milk and cheese are nearly as bad! <BR/><BR/>No one seems to suggest that we cut dairy out of our diet - and indeed we need the calcium etc. that dairy provides (with a tip of the hat to creative vegans who find other ways to get calcium, it just isn't as easy to do as drinking a glass of milk!)<BR/><BR/>So why cut red meat completely out? We do need iron in our diet and red meat is a great way to get it. It doesn't seem to me that either survey suggests cutting meat out completely. Rather, as many have already suggested, moderation is key.<BR/><BR/>Whether you eat red meat every day, or lots of candy every day, or lots of carrots every day (hello orange people!), too much of *anything* can be bad for you!<BR/><BR/>I personally have (hormone-free) red meat about once a week - seems to work for me!Yasminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00418058980761239537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-23255378307901455422009-03-13T13:48:00.000-04:002009-03-13T13:48:00.000-04:00Don't eat it very often; it's one of my indulgence...Don't eat it very often; it's one of my indulgences. But I really prefer seafood and such for eating meat and I agree that it's better to eat minimal amounts of red meat. I think it's still good to incorporate into our diets occasionally in moderate amounts- but not nearly to the extent that our culture DOES eat the stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-26180218958702982582009-03-13T11:02:00.000-04:002009-03-13T11:02:00.000-04:00When looking at "studies" to see what they "prove"...When looking at "studies" to see what they "prove" it's a really good idea to look at the "numbers."<BR/><BR/>I've seen studies that took 5 or 6 subjects and attempted to prove a hypothesis based on their results. A study like that, I wouldn't pay much attention to. The second study that I linked to in this post had almost 5,000 people in it. That many people, I would take seriously.The Merryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09660495393832517684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-87784662587162937402009-03-13T10:21:00.000-04:002009-03-13T10:21:00.000-04:00Good post. I like seeing different points of view ...Good post. I like seeing different points of view on these issues, especially since we "Dinner Club" with a vegetarian couple, which always makes it challenging to find dishes to cook that we all like. But I'm always up for it.<BR/><BR/>However, on the note of "studies" and what they "prove": any scientist, PhD, doctor, lawyer, philanthropist, (you get the idea!) wanting to prove a point in a study will seek out those facts that support what they're trying to prove. So I somewhat agree with Reb on that note (it's no secret to those who know me that I'm a cynic, though I prefer the term "realist!").<BR/><BR/>But just like everything else, moderation is key. Our excessive society has learned and is clinging tightly to its newly-found principles of overindulgence...<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post!Krystenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00604509216234597352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-24572735245565908782009-03-13T09:35:00.000-04:002009-03-13T09:35:00.000-04:00Wow, fascinating post!I particularly love the part...Wow, fascinating post!<BR/><BR/>I particularly love the part about the caveman eating red meat when he could get it. <BR/><BR/>I've been a vegetarian for 11 years now, and one of the most common things that people try to use to convince me to eat meat is the argument that "we're meant to, we evolved that way, it's the food chain: animals are there for humans to eat". I have enough to worry about without caring about what annoying people who try to pick fights eat for dinner, but my standard response is "fine, if want to argue that you have evolved to eat meat then show me that you can go hunt, kill, and cook a cow with your bare hands. If you can do that, eat it with my blessing." And then leave me alone and stop trying to convert me, cause I'm certainly not trying to make you vego. <BR/><BR/>My problem with the argument that we have evolved to eat meat is that we are no longer at a stage where we need to kill animals to survive, and most of us don't have the knowledge or skills to do so. Likewise, your point is brilliant, and one that doesn't occur to most people: eating meat every day is not the way humans evolved. It's only very recently in human history that we have had the resources and infrastructure to mass produce and distribute meat products.<BR/><BR/>As such, it makes sense that it wouldn't be good for the body to be consuming large amounts of it. Thanks for posting articles that illustrate this point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-88315906905786120512009-03-12T22:32:00.000-04:002009-03-12T22:32:00.000-04:00not a red meat fan, thankfully. great post.not a red meat fan, thankfully. great post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-58463770070520534352009-03-12T22:24:00.000-04:002009-03-12T22:24:00.000-04:00Oh - PS - we do also sometimes eat kangaroo - beca...Oh - PS - we do also sometimes eat kangaroo - because it's cheap and lean and has a small environmental footprint - obviously I live in Australia, so shipping isn't an issue, LOL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-76227570867433767802009-03-12T22:23:00.000-04:002009-03-12T22:23:00.000-04:00Hmmm. I don't particularly LIKE eating meat of any...Hmmm. I don't particularly LIKE eating meat of any sort - I'll eat lamb occasionally because I need the iron. Actually, even with iron tablets daily my iron levels (blood and stored) are always low - but I don't think I'll increase the amount of meat I eat anytime soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-57907627752235355002009-03-12T21:20:00.000-04:002009-03-12T21:20:00.000-04:00Here's an interesting take on the subject: http://...Here's an interesting take on the subject: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/what-can-evolution-teach-us-about-human.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-71479617027627583162009-03-12T19:04:00.000-04:002009-03-12T19:04:00.000-04:00The main problem I found when I was a vegetarian w...The main problem I found when I was a vegetarian was that people around me just didn't know how to cook without meat being the 'main' dish. I think that is what freaks people out about not eating it. I worried a bit at first but then discovered the wonders of veg. cooking and how many more flavours are possible compared to a hunk of steak with steamed veggies.Spring Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01122505632533994205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-34486471571694105842009-03-12T17:52:00.000-04:002009-03-12T17:52:00.000-04:00I'd get cranky if anybody tried to force me to go ...I'd get cranky if anybody tried to force me to go vegetarian /or/ carnivore. Just the idea of forcing someone to eat sounds wrong. <BR/><BR/>Unless chocolate eclairs are involved. Can't really imagine myself saying "No, no, please don't force me to eat that chocolate eclair, anything but that..." Not happening.The Merryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09660495393832517684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-29566884813475155782009-03-12T17:47:00.000-04:002009-03-12T17:47:00.000-04:00My daughter and boyfriend forced vegetarianism on ...My daughter and boyfriend forced vegetarianism on me but I draw the line at dairy, eggs, and fish. Jeez, give a poor meat eater a break. It's not that I miss red meat so much, it's that I get tired of trying to figure out what to cook, I'm not exactly an "inspired" cook (in fact I hate it). I agree with the idea that occasional red meat is okay but not all the time. That said, my boyfriend has had some problems getting enough protein and iron and his doctor's been having him take supplements and doing regular bloodwork. And believe me, I'm contantly trying to incorporate iron rich foods and protein into our diets. I personally think it would help him to eat red meat once a week but I'm still working on our menu.RebeccaJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07911063417034096429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-14002860971247516852009-03-12T16:13:00.000-04:002009-03-12T16:13:00.000-04:00Interesting stuff. I don't plan on giving up meat ...Interesting stuff. I don't plan on giving up meat - but I do practice moderation. And typically, I tend to favor chicken and eggs over red meat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-80249963764391559782009-03-12T14:47:00.000-04:002009-03-12T14:47:00.000-04:00I'm a vegaquarian (fish-eating vegetarian) most of...I'm a vegaquarian (fish-eating vegetarian) most of the time and find that suits me very well. I'm not surprised at the findings of the studies as they pretty much backup the existing research. Weirdly tho, I have to eat meat when I'm pregnant. My iron levels get low and supplements don't do the trick...Charlottehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04339643338071382257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-78340681377032747272009-03-12T14:38:00.000-04:002009-03-12T14:38:00.000-04:00Thanks for the heads up regarding these studies. I...Thanks for the heads up regarding these studies. <BR/><BR/>I'm amazed by the shroud of denial. With cancer rates at one out of every two people, um, seems we should be alert to anything that can help prevent cancer.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13741376813999114747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-12729014861068044422009-03-12T14:15:00.000-04:002009-03-12T14:15:00.000-04:00Reb, that's not bubble-bursting, that's an honest ...Reb, that's not bubble-bursting, that's an honest opinion!<BR/> <BR/>One of the best things about Cranky Fitness readers is that even when I don't agree with their viewpoint, I still really like hearing it. It's good to hear both sides of an argument. <BR/>Especially since CF readers have the knack of disagreeing peacefully. Maybe it's because so many of them are Canadians :)<BR/><BR/>Some blogs out there, I have seen flame wars break out over lesser topics. <I>shudder</I>The Merryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09660495393832517684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-48010127382572567322009-03-12T13:44:00.000-04:002009-03-12T13:44:00.000-04:00I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but unless someon...I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but unless someone has lived their entire life in a controlled environment, there is no way to pinpoint what causes any given cancer or cause of death. <BR/><BR/>Yes, there might be something in beef or other red meats that will be found in tumours, but, how much meat do you have to eat to develop said tumour? That they never tell you. Where were the animals they tested from, were they grain fed, or hormone fed, were they raised next to the "Love Canal"? Or just next to a factory that pumps contaminates into the air 24 hours a day?<BR/><BR/>As you can tell I am a bit of a fatalist/cynic and don't believe a whole lot of what I read. I believe in common sense, which tells me to eat red meat, but not every night.Rebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05318594769530526005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-38508082352433912782009-03-12T13:25:00.000-04:002009-03-12T13:25:00.000-04:00I started cutting back on red meat when I was in h...I started cutting back on red meat when I was in high school. That was a quarter-century ago and my body doesn't seem to know what to do with meat any more because it sits in my gut like a rock and makes me miserable. I can have very small portions on occasion, but I never have any desire for it.<BR/><BR/>If I had a nutritional deficiency that eating meat could correct, I'd go with grass-fed, hormone-free beef, no matter what the price. It's got more of what you want and less of what you don't, so what's not to like?<BR/><BR/>Studies of modern-day nomadic people show that they don't eat big-game foods on a daily basis. We can therefore safely assume our own ancestors didn't either. This isn't to say they were vegetarian, but they were more likely to get protein from a variety of sources, including eggs, insects, fish, birds, and rabbits.<BR/><BR/>A varied diet, heavy on veggies, without weird chemicals and processing is best. For those who want or need it, a little lean meat is fine, but it shouldn't be the biggest part of anyone's diet.Ann (bunnygirl)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04938134750150653386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-16133579772474326222009-03-12T12:34:00.000-04:002009-03-12T12:34:00.000-04:00I'm a fake vegetarian (I eat fish occasionally), s...I'm a fake vegetarian (I eat fish occasionally), so I don't eat red meat.<BR/><BR/>I do eat cheese and eggs, but when I do, I feel heavier and more...bleaugh...than when I don't. So I can believe that heavy consumption of animal products is bad for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-63546261287306354102009-03-12T12:31:00.000-04:002009-03-12T12:31:00.000-04:00I can take or leave the meat, what disgusts me is ...I can take or leave the meat, what disgusts me is what goes into our food whether it's animal or vegetable - chemicals, horomones, antibiotics - and the majority of Americans don't want to know or care. <BR/><BR/>I try to live by the everything in moderation mantra, but I'll take my food without a side of horomones thank you very much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-75855029532559352002009-03-12T11:39:00.000-04:002009-03-12T11:39:00.000-04:00Bag Lady, I think everything you have to say on th...Bag Lady, I think everything you have to say on this subject is On Topic! You're one of the few people around who do not deal with meat as pre-packaged :)<BR/><BR/>And I love the idea of supporting local farmers. (Um... not that I'm planning to move to a place where 40 below is the norm. I support the local farmers 'round these parts instead.)The Merryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09660495393832517684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-32775872472039125882009-03-12T11:37:00.000-04:002009-03-12T11:37:00.000-04:00Crabby, I can't wait for the "Bogus Cavemen" post....Crabby, I can't wait for the "Bogus Cavemen" post. Bring it on!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-5909763317140602772009-03-12T11:35:00.000-04:002009-03-12T11:35:00.000-04:00I think all things in moderations. Including red ...I think all things in moderations. Including red meat. Which means I eat too much of it.<BR/><BR/>This is another message (I've been getting lots of them lately) that points to a need for me to alter my diet. I was happier, more energetic, more clear headed when I got most of calories from fruits and veggies. It's just easier and more pleasant to consume meat.<BR/><BR/>I gotta change this thinking. Thanks for some reinforcing information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-13714224658363462342009-03-12T11:30:00.000-04:002009-03-12T11:30:00.000-04:00These are fascinating articles-- thanks for sharin...These are fascinating articles-- thanks for sharing them! I will pass them on to my veg. friends to gloat over. ;)<BR/><BR/>I love hearing all perspectives, but I'm curious where the studies are that show that occasionally eating red meat is healthier than cutting it out altogether. Of course, I think everybody should do the best they can based upon their belief system and preferences. But I bristle when people tell me I should incorporate meat into my diet just as much as they would bristle if I told them they should never eat it (which I don't!).tfhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10735303292996192352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-58497196711314620762009-03-12T11:25:00.000-04:002009-03-12T11:25:00.000-04:00I eat red meat occasionally and then only organic,...I eat red meat occasionally and then only organic, grass fed. No more hormones and chemicals than necessary. I'll take my own hormones over anyone else's. Thanks. <BR/><BR/>I doubt the cow business is going to go belly up. The biggest meat eaters out there aren't going to be on their computers reading a blog called Cranky Fitness.<BR/>If anything they'll be reading Beefblogs. I know people who say no matter what, they'd never give it up.<BR/><BR/>My husband was a big red meat eater (and sausage/bacon etc.) during his short life and died at age 50 of colon cancer.Levihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07369763028982948026noreply@blogger.com