tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post30395171133187532..comments2024-03-15T04:01:53.036-04:00Comments on Cranky Fitness: Organic food: just as nutritious with pesticides?Crabby McSlackerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12108791388350253344noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-90844022392869454762009-08-31T14:55:32.320-04:002009-08-31T14:55:32.320-04:00To the people who pointed out that what you don...To the people who pointed out that what you don't get (pesticides, irregular growth, unnatural fertilizer) is better than the nutritional equivalent:<br /><br />I read another article on this same thing, and it posed another study which found that after just five days of eating organic the amount of chemicals found in the urine decreased dramatically.<br /><br />Except that urine means water soluble, and so if those same people had fasted on water for five days the same would have happened.<br /><br />I found it interesting (and concerning) that there was no mention of the fat soluble chemicals. These don't get washed out of our systems and stay with our bodies for a long period of time (DDT is a famous example). <br /><br />Does anyone know of a study done on the pesticide/hormone/yuckyness content of the fat of organic eating people versus regular?<br /><br /><br />oh, and XKCD=heart.Jujunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-73070498041119528702009-08-31T03:23:44.013-04:002009-08-31T03:23:44.013-04:00I do agree with this…very resourceful and helpful ...I do agree with this…very resourceful and helpful topicOrganic food Experthttp://www.drgreene.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-57833410333498935002009-08-30T10:36:03.814-04:002009-08-30T10:36:03.814-04:00Using pesticides does not subtract fiber or vitami...Using pesticides does not subtract fiber or vitamins from food. It does add potentially harmful chemicals /to/ the food. Which is not good.The Merryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09660495393832517684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-71580273291295174732009-08-30T03:06:01.567-04:002009-08-30T03:06:01.567-04:00guys.
a lack of pesticides puts no more nutrients...guys.<br /><br />a lack of pesticides puts no more nutrients into food.<br /><br />using pesticides takes no nutrients out.<br /><br />pesticides, by themselves, do not control the amount of fibre, vitamin C, protein blah blah blah in food.<br /><br />it's not a contradiction.brenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00869829234179236355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-52992769063579813792009-08-28T10:42:19.341-04:002009-08-28T10:42:19.341-04:00That's what made me mad too.
I mean, the origi...That's what made me mad too.<br />I mean, the original study was rather narrowly focused, but it wasn't trying to twist facts. The news articles that came out afterward invariably tried to corrupt the study into something Shocking and Sensational. Even the BBC, which is the article I linked to. The BBC used to have a reputation for being stodgy. Sigh.The Merryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09660495393832517684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-5793917213690970282009-08-28T09:52:59.059-04:002009-08-28T09:52:59.059-04:00This article just made me simultaneously angry and...This article just made me simultaneously angry and incredulous at the same time. It never ceases to amaze me that some journalists will twist words around in a way that intentionally misleads readers. Pesticide food is just as healthy? Okay, if you are saying it has the same nutrients, great...but that isn't the idea that the article gives people! They have the same nutrition value at its base, but what about all the added toxins and poisons? Nutrion is = to nutrition, Healthy is not = to toxic chemicals.Writergirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14989663734979755242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-81603459152937045152009-08-28T09:35:01.077-04:002009-08-28T09:35:01.077-04:00Thanks for this. I saw an article about the study ...Thanks for this. I saw an article about the study and thought it was nuts but you have done a terrific job at pointing that out. <br /><br />TerrieTerrie Farley Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04980849018232866773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-36471536069962261772009-08-28T02:03:09.025-04:002009-08-28T02:03:09.025-04:00I'd love to play some scrabble later...but I s...I'd love to play some scrabble later...but I still love me my organic foods! And the ones spilling out all over the back yard just now? Oh yeah, even better!Karihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04779463691582868798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-89912299352684655502009-08-28T01:23:13.478-04:002009-08-28T01:23:13.478-04:00There is really nothing else to say. Let's fac...There is really nothing else to say. Let's face many "studies" are so myopic in their focus that they either miss the point, don't consider the whole picture and/or are "proving" or "disproving" things many either already know or are just so obvious that why conduct a study in the first place? <br />It's one reason I don't read too many newspapers, magazines etc. Sometimes I read the stuff and just shake my head. <br /><br />PS - You are not being cranky...just stating the obvious.robert trochhttp://www.fusionfitnesstv.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-2443622767479975622009-08-27T23:39:34.076-04:002009-08-27T23:39:34.076-04:00Yeah, I'm sure certain companies sponsored the...Yeah, I'm sure certain companies sponsored the research. Ha.Walking Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04604855981157322147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-81524111177194400522009-08-27T23:10:36.022-04:002009-08-27T23:10:36.022-04:00I think "healthy" is what throws people ...I think "healthy" is what throws people off. some people think healthy means more nutrients and thats it, and some people think healthy means not putting chemicals into your body. I think its both, but whatevski.Every Gym's Nightmarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07875612853074371662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-31097482176965679292009-08-27T21:41:31.697-04:002009-08-27T21:41:31.697-04:00xkcd + Merry graphs = total post awesomeness!
PS&...xkcd + Merry graphs = total post awesomeness!<br /><br />PS> I don't buy the whole organic-doesn't-matter thing eitherCharlottehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04339643338071382257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-63775104562666897482009-08-27T21:30:28.835-04:002009-08-27T21:30:28.835-04:00HMM, have they ever heard of ENDOCRINE DISRUPTION ...HMM, have they ever heard of ENDOCRINE DISRUPTION by pesticides? i live in one of the worst states for pesticide residue in water, and my son paid the price. he was born with hypospadias, from pesticide poisoning. Hypospadias has gone from 1 in 100,000 births in 1900 to 1 in 100 today. And the severity is WORSE. they aren't finding milder cases. pesticides are evil. i apologize for the rant, but this is something i feel quite strongly about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-86195298581338429822009-08-27T21:12:59.594-04:002009-08-27T21:12:59.594-04:00I've also read studies that show that children...I've also read studies that show that children who consumed organic food over conventionally grown food had significantly lower amounts of pesticides and chemicals in their system. And, as we know, chemicals and pesticides aren't very good for humans.<br /><br />Good lord, does this require a study? Let's review common sense:<br />Chemicals bad, no chemicals good. Anyone saying differently is either a dickhead or selling something.Arena Fitnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08139354923792176025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-73983800672243108732009-08-27T21:02:27.594-04:002009-08-27T21:02:27.594-04:00Although I always believed that people who say the...Although I always believed that people who say there's no difference between organic and non organic food are full of s**t, the cynic in me always asked the question if it was all just good marketing. I'm glad you posted this because now I feel better about what I said over at my blog. <br />http://wellnessbymanymeans.com/2009/07/organic-food-what-do-you-really-think-about-it/Rahimhttp://www.wellnessbymanymeans.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-31456421619536306362009-08-27T19:06:02.285-04:002009-08-27T19:06:02.285-04:00I would have to agree with DownsizingDoc. There is...I would have to agree with DownsizingDoc. There is a lot of money in organic business because of how much it's boasted in the media.<br /><br />Charging a premium on the same fruit with a slight adjustment in the production process = 200% increase in profit margins for the farmers.<br /><br />Even though local farmers may not have the most natural products, their shelf life is much higher.<br /><br /><a href="http://runningblueprint.com/blog" rel="nofollow">Running Workouts</a>nkazimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15639977419491131784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-42836046607066016382009-08-27T15:28:27.677-04:002009-08-27T15:28:27.677-04:00This "no better than" claim is blowing m...This "no better than" claim is blowing my mind. WTF?<br /><br />Anyway, I always thought <i>organic</i> had to do as much with the process as the end result. Farming organically is just more sustainable, isn't it? Recycle the garbage, don't poison the groundwater, sell local, save energy, etc. etc.<br /><br />And you can't tell me it doesn't matter what you put on a plant. We had too many gardens when I was growing up. We composted. We weeded. The better we fed our tomatoes the better they fed us.Melissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12785796365378274088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-23220614447389622222009-08-27T15:21:34.224-04:002009-08-27T15:21:34.224-04:00I don't bother buying organic produce very oft...I don't bother buying organic produce very often - I am so cynical, I highly doubt that it is really organic. Real "Back yard" organic food can't survive being shipped 1500 miles and still look fresh, or even edible, when it is three weeks old. And it has lost a lot of nutrition by then. That's why we grow as much of our own produce as we can...I know it is organic and I know it is fresh.Pattyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16615291830525865931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-31516880335838715392009-08-27T14:05:07.259-04:002009-08-27T14:05:07.259-04:00Der, they missed the point entirely, its like comp...Der, they missed the point entirely, its like comparing apples to oranges. Oh.Fat[free]Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09657562694069139967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-55742358337828894922009-08-27T13:56:32.741-04:002009-08-27T13:56:32.741-04:00Yeah, I remember reading this and thinking they mi...Yeah, I remember reading this and thinking they missed the whole point - I don't think a lot of people are saying that organic food has more vitamins or nutrients, per se, just a lot less of those tasty chemicals. <br /><br />As an aside, for articles that require registration, may I recommend <a href="http://www.bugmenot.com/" title="Bug Me Not" rel="nofollow">Bug Me Not</a>? I use it more because it's quicker than registering for sites than because of the spam worry.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11428033439125315780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-58365571886047932462009-08-27T13:45:40.166-04:002009-08-27T13:45:40.166-04:00I agree with Hanlie - Agri business is Big Busines...I agree with Hanlie - Agri business is Big Business. And our food industry is as well. They're all here to make profit....loading our food up with chemicals and addictive levels of sugar, fat and salt to decrease cost and increases sales. For a real eye opener read the section of the food industry in former head of FDA Dr Kessler's book "End to Overeating" I'm reading Pollans "In Defence of Food" next. Oh and I agree with Rick - our so called journalists with the 24 hour news cycle are really entertainers and/or puppets of big business. Sorry to spout off but you really hit a nerve.DownsizingDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14075706743278183671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-31370049424758469262009-08-27T13:44:10.569-04:002009-08-27T13:44:10.569-04:00To set your mind at ease, if a product is "ce...To set your mind at ease, if a product is "certified organic" they can't use petroleum or the traditional chemical based (ie Monsanto) pesticides or fertilizers. Of course this means Monsanto is now looking at "natural, organic" pesticides and fertilizers.<br /><br />Research has shown that as much as 25% of organic produce may be contaminated by regular old pesticides. It's typically the mega-farms where organic is grown just across the road and you get over spray. Depressing, eh? And all the more reason to know and love your local farmers and farmer's market.<br /><br />Did anybody watch the Penn & Teller BullSh!t episode on organic food? Ugh. They took this "not better for you" approach to the extreme. I say Bullsh!t to them. It's not more nutrients, it's less foreign chems in my system I want.<br /><br />And I don't care if the FDA approves it. Anybody remember thalidomide?bdaisshttp://prairietrails.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-88800724970749384082009-08-27T12:04:55.000-04:002009-08-27T12:04:55.000-04:00Christin, here's a link to the official defini...Christin, here's a link to the official definition of what exactly 'organic' means:<br /><br />http://www.ota.com/definition/nosb.html<br /><br /><br />This might be a starting place.The Merryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09660495393832517684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-53709380533334782982009-08-27T11:58:54.019-04:002009-08-27T11:58:54.019-04:00I second Crabby - I wanna know what the deal is wi...I second Crabby - I wanna know what the deal is with "oh organice produce isn't really organic." Then why the heck do I pay almost double for it?! <br /><br />Does anyone have any links to verify this? Or is it just something "everybody knows?" <br /><br />ChristinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1704170106558126102.post-39037166047345541012009-08-27T11:51:26.575-04:002009-08-27T11:51:26.575-04:00For the love . . .
Yeah, that's ridiculous. ...For the love . . . <br /><br />Yeah, that's ridiculous. And yes, it's true that organic produce can still be covered in pesticides, but generally those pesticides are not QUITE as nasty as the conventional ones. (That is a sweeping generalization, and not ALWAYS true, but often true.) I'll take not quite as nasty over super-nasty any day of the week.<br /><br />And Miz's point about farmers' markets is a good one. A lot of times people there will tell you EXACTLY what pesticides they do (or don't) use. The really amazing thing to me is that a lot of farmers' market farmers are actually growing organic food, but aren't "certified" organic, simply because it costs a lot of money to jump through the government hoops to get certified. <br /><br />Man, I just really need a garden.Marstehttp://www.takeupyourbedandwalk.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com